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''For immediate clinical management see "[[Replantation]]"''
''For immediate clinical management see "[[Replantation]]"''
=== [https://lacounty.sharepoint.com/:b:/t/EDOperations-HUCLA-5-JenandKelsey/EQZqEWzpwb9MsHyxQrYssJYBrBGw6WhoXSMky23Cti6m2Q?e=kid0Z9 Replant Flow Diagram] ===
==Transfer Protocol==
==Transfer Protocol==
* Obtain STAT Ortho Consult
* Obtain a STAT Hand Call Consult and page out as a TTA2 if not done already
* If potential replantation candidate per Ortho Consult, then
** Hand Call consultant should come to the ED for emergent evaluation
**initiate transfer to LAC+USC through MAC (USC should NOT decline do to "closed status" - see below)
*** '''The Hand Call resident must staff with their attending prior to recommending transfer'''
**Ortho consult should speak to LAC+USC Attending Hand Surgeon to discuss replant candidate transfer acceptance
 
**ED provider to coordinate transfer to MAC.  
* If the patient is deemed a potential replantation candidate:
*** "We are requesting a Higher Level of Care Urgent/Emergent transfer to USC per DHS Policy 373.3" (this makes the request a priority and should get transfer approved within 60 minutes)
** '''The ED ATTENDING should call the MAC''' at 866-940-4401 and state:
**TRANSFERS FOR POTENTIAL REPLANTATION WILL PROCEED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER USC HAS AVAILABLE BEDS. (Even if closed to transfers for that reason per CMO Spellberg at USC)
*** '''"We are requesting an emergent/urgent transfer from HUMC ED to LAG ED for replant evaluation; I need you to arrange the transfer" '''
*** All Emergent/Urgent requests should get transfer approval/dispositioned within 60 minutes. [https://secure2.compliancebridge.com/lacdhs/DHSpublic/index.php?fuseaction=header.download&policyID=4374&descriptor=header1&doc=373.3.pdf DHS Policy 373.3 MAC Transfers]
*** MAC will ask for below info (at a minimum)
**** Patient’s name + MRN
**** Primary diagnosis
**** Reason for transfer
**** Triage status: '''Emergent/Urgent'''
**** Name of transferring (sending) attending physician and the name of the DEM AOD***
**** Location: ED room number
** MAC will connect the '''ED attending with the LAG Hand Call ATTENDING''' via recorded line to discuss the replant candidate transfer
*** The Hand Call consultant (senior resident) should be immediately available to answer any technical questions from the LAG Replant Surgeon on the recorded MAC line;  '''if there is any discrepancy, the HUMC Hand Call ATTENDING must speak with the LAG Hand Call ATTENDING'''
*** If the LAG Attending cannot be reached within '''15 minutes''', MAC will contact the LAG CMO/MOD and MAC Medical Supervisor to present the transfer request
*** If the transfer conversation is not initiated wihin 60 minutes, MAC will contact the DHS CMO
** Once the patient is accepted for transfer, ED provider coordinates further transfer logistics via MAC 
*** '''Ask MAC for ETA of transport'''
**** Estimated Transport Arrival times:
***** Basic Life Support (BLS) – Transport – This level of transport consists of two (2) Emergency Medical Technician I’s (EMT-Is). The average estimated time of arrival (ETA) for a BLS Unit is 30-45 minutes.
***** Advanced Life Support (ALS) or Critical Care Transport (CCT) – This level of transport requires ALS personnel (EMT Paramedic (EMT-P) or nurse). The average EMT-P ETA is 45 minutes, and 120 minutes for a nurse staffed ambulance.
**** '''MAC should arrange transportation via the Central Dispatch office;  the ED clerk does NOT arrange transport for these patients'''
** '''If MAC is unable to provide transport for Higher Level of Care Urgent/Emergent transfer within a reasonable amount of time (less than 2 hours) this issue should be escalated to the MAC Medical Officer of the Day (MOD), DEM Admin on Duty (AOD), and the Attending Trauma Surgeon'''
**TRANSFERS FOR POTENTIAL REPLANTATION WILL PROCEED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER LAG HAS AVAILABLE BEDS (even if closed to transfers per USC CMO Dr. Spellberg)
 
Gausche-Hill, Mahajan, Chappell, Wilhelm 7/1/24


==Dealing with Disagreements Regarding Transfer==
==Dealing with Disagreements Regarding Transfer==
*If there is disagreement between HUCLA Ortho Call and USC Replantation service about proceeding with replantation then HUCLA Ortho attending must talk to USC Replantation attending.
* If there is disagreement between HUCLA ED/Trauma/Ortho Consultant and Hand LAC+USC Replantation service about proceeding with replantation then '''HUCLA Ortho Attending must talk to LAC+USC Replantation Attending on the recorded MAC line'''
*If there continues to be disagreement - the patient WILL be accepted by USC for an in-person evaluation by the replantation service (per CMO's at USC and HUCLA) - please involve both Trauma Attending and [[DEM Admin on Duty (AOD)]]
* If there continues to be disagreement - the patient WILL be accepted by LAC+USC for an in-person evaluation by the replantation service (per CMO's at LAC+USC and HUCLA) - please involve both Trauma Attending and Hand Attending [[https://wikem.org/wiki/DEM_Admin_on_Duty_(AOD)|DEM Admin on Duty (AOD)]]
** After in-person evaluation by the LAG re-plant surgeon, this may result in operative intervention
** If the patient is deemed non-operative, the patient will either be discharged by LAG or returned via County Trans to HUMC (rare event)


==Repatriation==
==Repatriation==
*If the patient is transferred to USC and after evaluation it is decided that replantation is not indicated - HUCLA WILL accept the patient back in transfer.
*If the patient is transferred to LAC+USC and after evaluation it is decided that replantation is not indicated - HUCLA WILL accept the patient back in transfer.





Latest revision as of 07:22, 24 September 2025

For immediate clinical management see "Replantation"

Replant Flow Diagram

Transfer Protocol

  • Obtain a STAT Hand Call Consult and page out as a TTA2 if not done already
    • Hand Call consultant should come to the ED for emergent evaluation
      • The Hand Call resident must staff with their attending prior to recommending transfer
  • If the patient is deemed a potential replantation candidate:
    • The ED ATTENDING should call the MAC at 866-940-4401 and state:
      • "We are requesting an emergent/urgent transfer from HUMC ED to LAG ED for replant evaluation; I need you to arrange the transfer"
      • All Emergent/Urgent requests should get transfer approval/dispositioned within 60 minutes. DHS Policy 373.3 MAC Transfers
      • MAC will ask for below info (at a minimum)
        • Patient’s name + MRN
        • Primary diagnosis
        • Reason for transfer
        • Triage status: Emergent/Urgent
        • Name of transferring (sending) attending physician and the name of the DEM AOD***
        • Location: ED room number
    • MAC will connect the ED attending with the LAG Hand Call ATTENDING via recorded line to discuss the replant candidate transfer
      • The Hand Call consultant (senior resident) should be immediately available to answer any technical questions from the LAG Replant Surgeon on the recorded MAC line; if there is any discrepancy, the HUMC Hand Call ATTENDING must speak with the LAG Hand Call ATTENDING
      • If the LAG Attending cannot be reached within 15 minutes, MAC will contact the LAG CMO/MOD and MAC Medical Supervisor to present the transfer request
      • If the transfer conversation is not initiated wihin 60 minutes, MAC will contact the DHS CMO
    • Once the patient is accepted for transfer, ED provider coordinates further transfer logistics via MAC
      • Ask MAC for ETA of transport
        • Estimated Transport Arrival times:
          • Basic Life Support (BLS) – Transport – This level of transport consists of two (2) Emergency Medical Technician I’s (EMT-Is). The average estimated time of arrival (ETA) for a BLS Unit is 30-45 minutes.
          • Advanced Life Support (ALS) or Critical Care Transport (CCT) – This level of transport requires ALS personnel (EMT Paramedic (EMT-P) or nurse). The average EMT-P ETA is 45 minutes, and 120 minutes for a nurse staffed ambulance.
        • MAC should arrange transportation via the Central Dispatch office; the ED clerk does NOT arrange transport for these patients
    • If MAC is unable to provide transport for Higher Level of Care Urgent/Emergent transfer within a reasonable amount of time (less than 2 hours) this issue should be escalated to the MAC Medical Officer of the Day (MOD), DEM Admin on Duty (AOD), and the Attending Trauma Surgeon
    • TRANSFERS FOR POTENTIAL REPLANTATION WILL PROCEED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER LAG HAS AVAILABLE BEDS (even if closed to transfers per USC CMO Dr. Spellberg)

Gausche-Hill, Mahajan, Chappell, Wilhelm 7/1/24

Dealing with Disagreements Regarding Transfer

  • If there is disagreement between HUCLA ED/Trauma/Ortho Consultant and Hand LAC+USC Replantation service about proceeding with replantation then HUCLA Ortho Attending must talk to LAC+USC Replantation Attending on the recorded MAC line
  • If there continues to be disagreement - the patient WILL be accepted by LAC+USC for an in-person evaluation by the replantation service (per CMO's at LAC+USC and HUCLA) - please involve both Trauma Attending and Hand Attending [Admin on Duty (AOD)]
    • After in-person evaluation by the LAG re-plant surgeon, this may result in operative intervention
    • If the patient is deemed non-operative, the patient will either be discharged by LAG or returned via County Trans to HUMC (rare event)

Repatriation

  • If the patient is transferred to LAC+USC and after evaluation it is decided that replantation is not indicated - HUCLA WILL accept the patient back in transfer.


See Also